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  No more meetings for me!

  by cyberguy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  well, after being out-of-town for nearly 2 months, i?ve decided i can no longer go to any meetings after returning home (not that i was going to that many beforehand).

  i?m not sure what is happening to me, but i?ve actually developed an aversion to anything "watchtower!

  " i cannot even read the literature, including current awake and watchtower magazines, without getting extremely nauseous!

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  I find a good internal yelling of BULL $#!+ to whatever is being said works wonders (^_^)
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  I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2

  by Dansk in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.

  hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.

  that's a rather simplified version of events.

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  You guys are just having a go at me, aren't ya??? :-D

  everything I know is my own minds invention so I am aware that my mind may be inventing everything I have experienced like a dream and none of it is 100% reliable, but we must all gamble with our best skills for each move we make and my best guess is that some of these things are actually true.
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  I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2

  by Dansk in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.

  hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.

  that's a rather simplified version of events.

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  zen nudist

  everything you are saying matches a combination of my own experiences and several books I have read, particularly

  robert monroe's far journeys and some of Carlos Castenada's books.

  as to starting a new religion, I was specifically told not to interfer with the path of others [which of course I have violated many times]

  especially as a BORG.

  but I think I was compelled to be a BORG because of a murder I committed last go round.... a murder I dreamt of even before my past life work...and the reason I was shot to death in my regressed last life.

  now what do you think of this..... my "guide" is a guy named Quan Lee Fong who claims he was "me" in the 1830s china as a Taoist Monk.

  it am not 100% sure it has always been him, but several times in dreams and once in waking life, he has grabbed me and forced me to do things.... in waking life he grabbed the inside of my hands and forced me to fail a typing test required for a job interview [two seperate times] and that lead directly to my current 100x better job.

  in dreams he plays games with me.... but only in lucid dreaming... he first grabbed me while I was prowling for sex and dragged me to a rose bush without a word or any visible appearance.... next I shoved me through a dream window when I wanted to peek inside and compare notes to the waking world version of the same building.... I was shoved so hard that the glass shattered and woke me up with a --"what the F.!!"

  JWs would attribute him to some sort of Demon, but he has never done me any harm and has taught me many lessons without a word.
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  I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2

  by Dansk in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.

  hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.

  that's a rather simplified version of events.

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  I cannot answer with any real authority of experience because none of the guides/instructors seems to want to answer some of those questions whenever I ask. On no few occasions when I have been in their presence and begun to ask excitedly about the nature of reality etc I get soft mental shhhhhh's telling me those types of questions will be answered in time.

  here is my experience make of it what you will....

  after my 2nd apparently failed attempt at past life regression, I had a series of amazing dreams all within a weeks time, not like any prior lucid or normal dream, but like reliving events sort of thing....

  the first one began with my being shot to death in the late 50s but not dying, instead getting up and walking into another level of reality, first meeting a group of children who told me how they had died.... then being curious about what was up and what was next....I asked if I knew this one gal and she said no and I looked around and found no one I knew at all.... then I saw someone a head taller than all others and accepted him as a leader of some sort... I asked him If I should wait for my group or what? he said, no, but that I should not interfer too much in the life of others but to work my own path.

  then I grew curious about the other realm [this one] and asked why I still remembered it, but when I was there [here], I had no recollection of this side.... everything he explained to me vanished but for his final words "P. T. Barnum" which immediately brought to mind, "there is a sucker born every minute" and I understood he was telling me that the other realm [this world] was designed to fool us into thinking it was the ""önly one"" and suddenly I protested following his view, I said, "but this realm is a mental invention too, right?"" he walked up to this window overlooking a city and tapped on the frame and said, ïts as real as real gets"" to which I protested and said "but it is a mental invention?"" and then I noticed another guide.... he was standing behind me to the right and he looked at this object sitting infront of me to the left and it lept into the air.... showing me, yes this world was also mental not physical as it appeared....

  a year later while on a 3 wk business trip out of town in Kansas, I tried out of body and after 2wks had a partial OBE where my right hand seperated into two fully real feeling appendages....then snapped back together.... suddenly I realized what ïts as real as real gets"" meant...

  everything we know and can know is within our mind, not real in any other sense and cannot be any more real to us than that.
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  I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2

  by Dansk in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.

  hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.

  that's a rather simplified version of events.

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  Consciousness is mobile. It can freely enter, leave, and create bodies it needs to exist in whatever environment it chooses to visit.

  each of us participates in the whole and each of us has internal information not completely shared....

  In my personal experience this statement is not completely accurate. I have literally had experiences in which I left my body and entered the body of another individual to experience things from their unique perspective. I believe we are all much more intimately tied together than we realize. However, in order to perceive this state of connectedness it is necessary to mobilize your consciousness away from your physical body by at least 2 or 3 gross "layers" and then merge your consciousness with another human's body. Additionally, I have in communications with what you might call ghosts and/or entites existing in higher layers experienced a type of communication that does not include language or even thought, but simply direct experience is communicated to me. When the entity wants me to understand something a sort of packet or segment of their direct experience is passed to me. This latter form of communication is very intimate and does not seem to hide ANYTHING about the particular experience. So, I believe that our uniqueness is really a uniqueness that only exists in certain layers. As we move upward through the layers our uniqueness dissappears and our individual uniqueness becomes simply another aspect of the whole.

  This mobilizing and division of consciousness can be demonstrated in various ways even through science. However, of course science cannot go any further than physical expression and measurements.

  of course I did not mean to suggest that at some level we were not all just ONE.... to expand on your expansion, I think you see things a bit inside out from me.... you speak of inhabitting bodies to experience different levels.... but I have experienced and was told by other non humans that everything we "know" is pure mental fiction to some degree, that the earth and sea and much of the contents are nothing more than a shared invention that many minds put a lot of effort into making and many minds unconsciously keep it going so that one mind alone find it difficult but not impossible to penetrate the game and see through it...which would spoil the fun....

  rather than any noble reason for its existance, I have found just the opposite, it is a game invented as simply a means of committing chronocide in the long endless eternity of existance.... there are beings who think of us players as addicts who cannot stop harming ourselves and try to rescue us from time to time and even try to end the game for us....but after eons of time, and countless openings and closing of this game, few better ones have been found and many are waiting in line to try their hand at it..... of course I could be completely wrong and then again so can you...after all, nothing we know is more than what our mind has invented....ever.
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  The Watchtower: Sincere Old Men or Deliberate Deceivers?

  by metatron in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when a witness encounters injustices engendered by the watchtower and considers them.

  with clarity of mind, he is likely to suppose that , at worst, the old men who run things.

  are sincere but misguided.

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  how were the german governors any different under hitler? how were many who are called patriotic any different?

  they are beguilled by a sense of purpose and community.... and the intoxication of power....

  the psychological experiments of jailer and criminal come to mind. where kids were given roles to "play" and took them WAY too seriously

  and the mentality of police vs everyone else, us them mentality.

  here we have a real empire with petty little dictators who have found away to absolve themselves from guilt... its not there individual fault

  if horrible doctrines are not repealed, it needs 2/3rd vote....after all if Jehovah wanted it changed surely he would have inspired at least 2/3rds to change things, right?.... this is their excuse, their antennae to God which allows them to say it was God's doing, not theirs.

  VE VERE only followink orderssss
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  Who cares if the JWs are right?

  by new light in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is by no means an original idea, but even if the jws have been right all along, i don't care.

  if pleasing god means not knowing what to think or feel without checking with headquarters first, then i don't need him.

  who would want to be caught up in an eternal nightmare where the entire population was a braindead mass of clean-cut yes men?

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  you can be a Happy Nazi worker ant harmoniously making earth a paradise.

  Imagine, no more independent thinking, no need to question or think at all... just follow the trail that will be set down for you.

  happiness does not require troublesome thinking, just faith and trust in those who lead.

  even though your self sacrifice will go completely unnoticed by your fellow ants, be assured your value to the mound will

  be appreciated. your personal insignifigance magnified by millions of your fellow laborers is a mighty army and

  your significance is part of this whole.
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  I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2

  by Dansk in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.

  hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.

  that's a rather simplified version of events.

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  here is a model for your consideration relating to my view of reality and buddhism

  if you think of the universe as being like the internet.... a large number of computers [us] interconnected and disconnected by many many different ways and means.... each of us participates in the whole and each of us has internal information not completely shared.... each of us is running our own set of internal programs that are part of the one whole but make us unique individuals....

  here is where it gets tricky.... the only YOU, I know is a representation within my system... an icon on my screen, never the real you. I have no means of directly knowing anything other than what my connections to you bring me.... and so my represention or icon is likely very cartoonish and idealized based on a lot more fantasy and stereo typing then reality.

  e-motions or what MOTivate us are derived from an interplay of the energy flowing through out the entire system... beliefs are like regulators which present us with a specific quality of emotional energy. this energy like electricity is primarily derived from a difference between ground, or contentment/satisfaction and some imbalance of energy.... when you have low blood sugar the imbalance causes an imbalance which is felt and identified as hunger.

  in the buddhist four noble truths, attachment and desire is identified as the primary causes of suffering....

  attachment would be a mental comparison of what is to what one wishes based on memory.... this would be felt as an imbalance of forces and the belief about why this exists will give the energy its quality such as anger, sadness, etc.

  desire is the same only projected forward in time or to sideways present alternatives....

  the buddha recommended the 8 fold path [skillful living in all aspects of life within the extremes] as the means of acheiving satisfactory or contented living in this realm....

  which is nearly identicle to what I find as well by my alternative view.... every move is a gamble to some degree, accepting every step that brought you to the present moment without comparison and accepting your perceived reality with clarity that comes with such acceptance, make your move with your greatest skill and you will have no cause for regret or strong emotions.

  as to death and after lives.... the you I know is again, only an icon on my mental screen, if it seems to die, that in no way effects your true self... and if you think about it, you have never known a moment when you did not exist and you cannot ever know such a moment which does not guarentee immortality but it is as immortal as you need consider.

  I beileve we are sharing a virtual reality in which all that we know, the icons of each other, are being moved about within our minds, but not effecting our true self, which is beyond this in a realm which we have no direct way of understanding and may be completely alien to anything we may conceive....

  another way to put it, if you were born in a dream state coma and never opened what you consider your real eyes, the only eyes you would know are the ones your dream self had.... you would not even be able to tell if you actually had real eyes.... in like manner, our true body may be completely different than our dream bodies we share in this virtual reality.
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  Is the Universe and Life both the same thing? (out-of-the-box)

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is the universe and life both the same thing?

  i mean is there really duality in life and universe??

  a crude examlpe of what i mean is like take your body it is made up all kinds of specialized cells and even aminals like bacteria and virus not to mention molecules etc.. yet you veiw it all as "you" what if the whole universe is like that,,and we only think we are seperate.

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  THE SELF AWARE UNIVERSE -- Amit Goswami. A professor of physics at the University of Oregon and a member of its Institute of Theoretical Science,

  Goswami is convinced, along with a number of others who subscribe to the same view, that the universe, in order to exist, requires a conscious sentient being to be aware of it. Without an observer, he claims, it only exists as a possibility. And as they say in the world of science, Goswami has done his math. Marshalling evidence from recent research in cognitive psychology, biology, parapsychology and quantum physics, and leaning heavily on the ancient mystical traditions of the world, Goswami is building a case for a new paradigm that he calls "monistic idealism," the view that consciousness, not matter, is the foundation of everything that is.

  from http://www.wie.org/j11/goswami.asp?ifr=srch
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  Ladies and Gentlemen, Your True God, "El/Yah"

  by ColdRedRain in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/el_(god) .

  in the tanakh ?elohim is the normal word for a god or the great god (or gods).

  but the form ?el also appears, mostly in poetic passages and in the partiarchal narratives attributed to the p source according the documentary hypothesis.

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  zen nudist

  the name El from Aleph Lahmed is actually not pronounced like most think... the Aleph is a gutter sound, not quite a vowel made in the back of the throat like clearing your throat or gagging, and El comes out sounding like a dry heave... which is understandable in a desert culture

  (^_^)... likely the canaanites called out to this god first, right after the invention of beer, circa 5000bce...and begged him for mercy from his wrath as they tries to survive the vomitting phase.... oh ekhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, forgive me.... save me...oh ekhhhhhhhhhhhhh